Pouring Holy Water on Strange Fire

Pouring Holy Water on Strange Fire[Download] ✤ Pouring Holy Water on Strange Fire Author Frank Viola – Bluevapours.co.uk Frank Viola offers a clear, concise, and penetrating response to the harshest expression of hard cessationism today, while at many points also inviting readers to greater biblical fidelity and a deepe Frank Viola Water on eBook ´ offers a clear, concise, and penetrating response to the harshest expression of hard cessationism today, while at many points also inviting readers to greater biblical fidelity and a deeper walk with Christ Craig Keener, Professor of New Testament at Asbury Pouring Holy PDF \ Seminary Strange Fire has re ignited a debate among Christians that will likely never be fully resolved this side of heaven But the dialogue need not be characterized by angry and divisive rhetoric While we should all aim for theological clarity and understanding, Holy Water on Kindle Ñ we should as readily be concerned for Christ like charity and unity Frank Viola s insightful analysis of MacArthur s rejection of charismatic theology and practice should contribute immensely to our growth in grace and a deeper understanding and experience of the Spirit s work in the church today One need not agree with Viola on every point to profit greatly from this work Sam Storms, PhD Lead Pastor for Preaching and Vision, Bridgeway Church, Oklahoma City, OK What a great, edifying read This is not only an effective, concise rebuttal to Pastor MacArthur s Charismatic Chaos and Strange Fire, but it presents a Jesus exalting, faith building case for the continuance of the New Testament gifts of the Spirit, replete with excellent, inspirational quotes Michael L Brown, PhD author of Authentic Fire A Response to John MacArthur s Strange Fire December,Strange Fire has ignited a debate on the issue of Christian experience that at times has generated heat than light Frank Viola s contribution avoids the unhelpful rhetoric of some, and demonstrates his biblical convictions Viola rejects the extreme views of many who are charismatics or cessationists This critique will definitely help you understand the perspective of one who could be called a moderate charismatic Adrian Warnock, adrianwarnock.

Viola doesn Water on eBook ´ t use GoodReads If you wish to contact him, you can write to him directly with a question or comment at frank frankviola Frankie V Frank Viola trains people in the craft of writing through his annual SCRIBE training has Pouring Holy PDF \ written some books in the past on the love, grace, and mercy of Jesus Christ and against the harsh, cruel, toxic, unforgiving, mean spirited and unloving attitude that Jesus enemies had toward Him and His people the scribes and the Pharisees Unfortunately, as Holy Water on Kindle Ñ many biblical scholars have pointed out, there are many people who carry the spirit of the self righteous, Pharisee today who consider themselves to be good people and Christians even, who condemn others while excusing their own sins Something that God Himself hatesJesus said that all of God s Law is summed up in these words Treat other people the way you want them to treat you Matthew Those who live this way, especially toward people who have offended them, are the true followers of Christ.

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    iOS for the iPad is the biggest iOS release ever Christ like charity and unity Frank Viola s insightful analysis of MacArthur s rejection of charismatic theology and practice should contribute immensely to our growth in grace and a deeper understanding and experience of the Spirit s work in the church today One need not agree with Viola on every point to profit greatly from this work Sam Storms, PhD Lead Pastor for Preaching and Vision, Bridgeway Church, Oklahoma City, OK What a great, edifying read This is not only an effective, concise rebuttal to Pastor MacArthur s Charismatic Chaos and Strange Fire, but it presents a Jesus exalting, faith building case for the continuance of the New Testament gifts of the Spirit, replete with excellent, inspirational quotes Michael L Brown, PhD author of Authentic Fire A Response to John MacArthur s Strange Fire December,Strange Fire has ignited a debate on the issue of Christian experience that at times has generated heat than light Frank Viola s contribution avoids the unhelpful rhetoric of some, and demonstrates his biblical convictions Viola rejects the extreme views of many who are charismatics or cessationists This critique will definitely help you understand the perspective of one who could be called a moderate charismatic Adrian Warnock, adrianwarnock."/>
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10 thoughts on “Pouring Holy Water on Strange Fire

  1. Brandon H. says:

    Beautiful This is a short, yet concise, critique of John MacArthur s recent release, Strange Fire Frank Viola handily takes MacArthur to task over his serious and slanderous claims about Charismatics and their continuation doctrine, while treating MacArthur with respect, kindness, and even gentleness He also challenges MacArthur s cessationist doctrine with such grace and insightful argumentation from both scripture and history that it left me wondering how such an erroneous doctrine has ga Beautiful This is a short, yet concise, critique of John MacArthur s recent release, Strange Fire Frank Viola handily takes MacArthur to task over his serious and slanderous claims about Charismatics and their continuation doctrine, while treating MacArthur with respect, kindness, and even gentleness He also challenges MacArthur s cessationist doctrine with such grace and insightful argumentation from both scripture and history that it left me wondering how such an erroneous doctrine has gained such a foothold in the Western world Clearly, Bible believing, cessationist churches aren t as advanced in their knowledge of the scriptures as they often claim MacArthur has had some positive contributions to the Body of Christ in days past but the man has sorely messed up here What he has put forth in his book, Strange Fire is mostly chaff Granted, he has a few legitimate complaints and protests against some things going on in the Charismatic and Pentecostal denominations movement that need to be considered but he goes so far overboard that it s hard to take the man seriously Strange Fire so bad and disconnected from reality and the truth that I m shocked Thomas Nelson would publish it and Christianity Today would advertise it in their periodicals Strange Fire is not only an embarrassing piece of work, it s fit for the furnace It has as much credibility as those cheap gossip publications which populate the check out aisles in most grocery stores I must admit, I have not read Strange Fire as of yet I have read this critique along with J Rodman William s critique of MacArthur s Charismatic Chaos as well as other responses from Adrian Warnock, John Piper, and the like all of whom, have demonstratedgrace, kindness, and love to MacArthur than MacArthur has to his fellow believers who disagree with him And not just that, but they have also demonstrated, to put it bluntly, far greater Biblical wisdom and insight as they picked apart MacArthur s arguments and claims in his anti Charismatic books Again, I m baffled as to why Thomas Nelson would publish such garbage Regardless of where one stands in the Continuationism Cessationism spectrum, this is a must read contribution to the discussion

  2. Jacob Aitken says:

    Key points and rebuttals that obtain Opening Salvo True, Charismatics sometimes put the Holy Spirit on the throne, but do not Reformed have their own pet doctrines covenant theology, amillennialism, THE Christian view of apologetics, etc Viola 13 Viola notes Macarthur paints the entire Charismatic world with one brush This makes any sort of dialogue which anticipates correction impossible But no one would accept reducing the entirety of the Reformed faith to Rushdoony, North, James J Key points and rebuttals that obtain Opening Salvo True, Charismatics sometimes put the Holy Spirit on the throne, but do not Reformed have their own pet doctrines covenant theology, amillennialism, THE Christian view of apologetics, etc Viola 13 Viola notes Macarthur paints the entire Charismatic world with one brush This makes any sort of dialogue which anticipates correction impossible But no one would accept reducing the entirety of the Reformed faith to Rushdoony, North, James Jordan, and Doug Phillips Macarthur does cherry pick from the church fathers I noticed this when I read Strange Fire I didn t mention it because it only entailed bad historical scholarship, not a counter refutation He notes where Chrysostom seems to say the gifts ceased, but he failed to quote Martin of Tours biography NPNPF 2 volume 11 Macarthur advanced the bizarre claim that charismatics teach the gifts ceased at the 1st century to be rediscovered in the 20th Yet, as Viola points out, he never tells us which charismatics taught this And Jack Deere specifically contradicted this Surprised by the Voice of God In other words, Macarthur s book is one large fallacy of composition.Did the Gifts Cease Viola begins with what is probably the continuationist s strongest position there is no verse in the New Testament that suggests that the supernatural gifts of the Spirit have ceased or will pass away before Christ s second coming Viola 18 He points out that the clause when the perfect comes means the Bible simply negates all the other gifts as well.Concerning the post apostolic witness, Viola backs the truck up and buries the Strange Fire narrative 23 Viola has an excellent section on Ephesians 2 20, which I beleive is the only real proof text the cessationist has Quoting Storms, we see that the prophets and apostles form the foundation, yes, but vv 21 22 note the superstructure of the church is still under construction Let s not push the metaphor beyond what Paul intended Further, we have no evidence that all prophetic activity say, Phillip s daughters is necessarily laying the foundation of the church Scriptures and the SpiritAre Charismatics weak on the Scriptures Well, it depends of whom you are speaking Given Macarthur s pattern of selective sources, it would appear so But notice he never references with a few exceptions, like to Grudem and Piper those who are might in the Scriptures Viola lists some names N.T Wright, Craig Keener, Sam Storms, Gordon Fee, Jack Deere, Bernard Ramm, John Piper, Michael Green, James D.G Dunn, Howard Snyder, Wayne Grudem, Russell P Spittler, J Rodman Williams Viola 27 I can only add my late uncle to the list, an Assembly of God minister who read the Bible cover to cover at least four times every year multiply by 30 years as a conservative estimate, and you get a 120 readings Viola again Point Bizarre, exaggerated, misguided claims about spiritual gifts, failed healings, and trickery under the guise of the Holy Spirit s power do not disprove the reality of spiritual gifts 31 But according to Macarthur s logic, that s exactly what happens.Revelation MisunderstoodProphetic utterances are equal in truth the Same Spirit but not equal in authority to Scripture.Viola Using MacArthur s reasoning, there is no need to use judgment or spiritual discernment in testing revelation If the gift of prophecy has ceased, then one can simply dismiss all claims of prophetic revelation, healing, or miracles without investigation or critical analysis Simple enough But is it accurate Is it biblical Paul says we prophesy in part, but he also says we know in part 1 Cor 13 9 So teaching, like prophecy, must be evaluated Using MacArthur s reasoning, we should reject all teaching, since so much modern teaching is inaccurate 40.Third Wave Some good points here Viola notes that Wimber simply put wheels on George Ladd s kingdom theology 48 I don t think this explosive point has yet been truly explored With the exception of dispensationalists, every school of eschatology holds to already not yet This means the kingdom has been fulfilled if not consummated Therefore, we cast out demons Any takers I also appreciated his links to Deere s response to the Briefing I thought Macarthur was rather hamhanded in his criticism of Deere Further, the Bible must be spiritually discerned Yet the Bible itself is not the spiritual discernment So if we say the Bible is sufficient which I believe it is , we need to qualify what we mean by that.Criticisms of Viola This isof an article length critique, not a book It s not worth the 5.99 Granted, Strange Fire isn t that good, either, but I do fear Viola met Macarthur on Macarthur s non scholarly level Each paragraph is one or two sentences long This isn t the worst criticism in the world, but it s worth noting.Evaluation I don t this is a full orbed rebuttal to strange fire It can serve as suppressing fire until heavier resources Grudem, Storms are deployed

  3. Frank Peters says:

    This book is a response to the books Strange Fire and Charismatic Chaos by John McArthur In these books McArthur states his cessationist position strongly and is highly critical of all charismatics even questioning their faith I was afraid that Viola s book would be equivalent in its rhetoric Thankfully this is not the case Viola goes out of his way to be as gracious as possible, and even completely agrees with McArthur on the excesses of the charismatic movement At the same time, he sy This book is a response to the books Strange Fire and Charismatic Chaos by John McArthur In these books McArthur states his cessationist position strongly and is highly critical of all charismatics even questioning their faith I was afraid that Viola s book would be equivalent in its rhetoric Thankfully this is not the case Viola goes out of his way to be as gracious as possible, and even completely agrees with McArthur on the excesses of the charismatic movement At the same time, he systematically and logically shows how the McArthur s view is flawed Both aspects of this book were equally useful, and I think both were necessary for a realistic balance I would be happy to recommend this book to cessationist and continuationist alike

  4. Joshua Lawson says:

    Very concise and helpful response to John MacArthur s critique of the Charismatic movement.

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